FISH DONT GROW ON TREES…OR DO THEY ?? REALLY !! PAGE 481 SGGS

 By Dr Karminder Singh Dhillon.

The verses are composed by Bhagat Namdev ji. 
The context is the debate amongst the “educated” clergy (Pandits) and those who have actually realized God. *KOYEE BOLEY NERWAA KOYEE BOLEY DHOOR* Meaning: Some of the pundits assert He is near; others argue He is afar. 

This debate is futile since neither side has realized Him. *JUL KEE MACHLEE CHAREY KHAZOOR.*! Meaning: These pundits may as well argue that fish exits the water to climb up a date tree!! The final verses are *PUNDIT HOEY KAY BAED BAKHANAI. MOORAKH NAMDEO RAMHEY JANAI.* 

Meaning. You pundits can keep arguing about futile matters. While silly me (non pundit) works towards realizing the Omnipresent (RAMHEY) God. Namdev’s God is omnipresent hence to say He is NEAR or FAR is as nonsensical as stating a fish climbs up a date tree. 

It is clear that Namdev ji is expressing a rebuking critique regarding the debate between the spiritually empty pundits. He thus resorts to the idiom – fish up a date tree – to make his point cryptically. If someone was to write Namdev jis idea in English he or she would probably say “These pundits may as well say the cow jumped over the moon and the fork ran away with the spoon” 

The desire is to condemn Bhai Sarabjeet S. Dhunda ji surely cannot be so deep that one pretends not to understand the intended usage of the idiom. There are multiple other similar examples in Gurbani. Here is one. *KAHO KABEER PARGUT BHAYEE KHED. LELEY KO CHUNGEY NIT BHED.* SGGS Page 326. Meaning. Kabeer, a strange play has come to exist. The mother lamb is sucking milk out of her baby lamb. It’s obviously an idiomatic expression that reflects the *irony of spiritual behaviors* amongst some people. 

Now IF somebody puts up a UTube video of a sheep sucking her lamb: is Kabeer going to be proven wrong ? He cannot be right or wrong becos he is NOT making a factual assertion about the sheep and the lamb. He is *merely stating an existing idiom*. 

Desperation amongst the dera crowd must have a limit.

By Dr Karminder Singh Dhillon.
The verses are composed by Bhagat Namdev ji. 
The context is the debate amongst the “educated” clergy (Pandits) and those who have actually realized God. *KOYEE BOLEY NERWAA KOYEE BOLEY DHOOR* Meaning: Some of the pundits assert He is near; others argue He is afar. 

This debate is futile since neither side has realized Him. *JUL KEE MACHLEE CHAREY KHAZOOR.*! Meaning: These pundits may as well argue that fish exits the water to climb up a date tree!! The final verses are *PUNDIT HOEY KAY BAED BAKHANAI. MOORAKH NAMDEO RAMHEY JANAI.* 

Meaning. You pundits can keep arguing about futile matters. While silly me (non pundit) works towards realizing the Omnipresent (RAMHEY) God. Namdev’s God is omnipresent hence to say He is NEAR or FAR is as nonsensical as stating a fish climbs up a date tree. 

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It is clear that Namdev ji is expressing a rebuking critique regarding the debate between the spiritually empty pundits. He thus resorts to the idiom – fish up a date tree – to make his point cryptically. If someone was to write Namdev jis idea in English he or she would probably say “These pundits may as well say the cow jumped over the moon and the fork ran away with the spoon” 

The desire is to condemn Bhai Sarabjeet S. Dhunda ji surely cannot be so deep that one pretends not to understand the intended usage of the idiom. There are multiple other similar examples in Gurbani. Here is one. *KAHO KABEER PARGUT BHAYEE KHED. LELEY KO CHUNGEY NIT BHED.* SGGS Page 326. Meaning. Kabeer, a strange play has come to exist. The mother lamb is sucking milk out of her baby lamb. It’s obviously an idiomatic expression that reflects the *irony of spiritual behaviors* amongst some people. 

Now IF somebody puts up a UTube video of a sheep sucking her lamb: is Kabeer going to be proven wrong ? He cannot be right or wrong becos he is NOT making a factual assertion about the sheep and the lamb. He is *merely stating an existing idiom*. 

Desperation amongst the dera crowd must have a limit.

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ਆਸਾ ॥ ਪਹਿਲਾ ਪੂਤੁ ਪਿਛੈਰੀ ਮਾਈ ॥ ਗੁਰੁ ਲਾਗੋ ਚੇਲੇ ਕੀ ਪਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਏਕੁ ਅਚੰਭਉ ਸੁਨਹੁ ਤੁਮ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਭਾਈ ॥ ਦੇਖਤ ਸਿੰਘੁ ਚਰਾਵਤ ਗਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਜਲ ਕੀ ਮਛੁਲੀ ਤਰਵਰਿ ਬਿਆਈ ॥ ਦੇਖਤ ਕੁਤਰਾ ਲੈ ਗਈ ਬਿਲਾਈ ॥੨॥ ਤਲੈ ਰੇ ਬੈਸਾ ਊਪਰਿ ਸੂਲਾ ॥ ਤਿਸ ਕੈ ਪੇਡਿ ਲਗੇ ਫਲ ਫੂਲਾ ॥੩॥ ਘੋਰੈ ਚਰਿ ਭੈਸ ਚਰਾਵਨ ਜਾਈ ॥ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਬੈਲੁ ਗੋਨਿ ਘਰਿ ਆਈ ॥੪॥ ਕਹਤ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੁ ਇਸ ਪਦ ਬੂਝੈ ॥ ਰਾਮ ਰਮਤ ਤਿਸੁ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਸੂਝੈ ॥੫॥੯॥੨੨॥ ਬਾਈਸ ਚਉਪਦੇ ਤਥਾ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ   {ਪੰਨਾ 481}

First the Son was born, Then his mother

The Guru falls at the feet of his disciple

Listen to this strange thing, O Brothers

The Fish of the water gives birth on a tree

I saw a cat carrying away a dog

The branches are Below, the roots are Above

The trunk of the tree bears Fruit and flowers

Riding a horse, the buffalo takes him out to graze

The bull is away, while his load (cart) has come home

Says Kabeer, one who understands this HYMN and chants

The Lord’s Name, comes to UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING.

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